#94: Lean Out: Women, Power and the Workplace with Marissa Orr

#94: Lean Out: Women, Power and the Workplace with Marissa Orr

You might have heard of the book Lean In… but have you heard of Lean Out ?

In this week’s episode, we are talking with Marissa Orr, former Google and Facebook executive as well as the best-selling author of Lean Out. After spending 15 years working at today’s top tech giants, she transitioned her career to be a best-selling author and speaker across the globe.

In today’s episode, we’ll first sort out the differences between Lean In and Lean Out, the gender stereotypes that burden many workplaces, and we’ll uncover old power structures that still hold true today. We’ll also discuss Marissa’s time at Google, her uncomfortable interactions at Facebook, and how to make a real difference no matter what obstacles you face!


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01:47 – Difference Between Lean in and Lean Out

05:13 – Why We Have Gender Stereotypes

9:02 – Why Aggressive Women Have Consequences

12:00 – Google Personality Tests

15:53 – Legacy Systems and Underlying Power Structures

18:58 – Narrow Definitions and How to Get Outside Them

25:55 – How Managers Can Make Real Change

31:26 – Opinions on Ways COVID Has Changed the Workplace

34:33 – Marissa’s Journey as a Speaker

43:06 – How Facebook Wanted to Put Boundaries on Marissa’s Blog

49:52 – Story of Marissa’s HR Nightmare

55:21 – Why Marissa Stayed at Facebook For as Long as She Did

56:37 – Why Women are So Competitive

58:58 – Expectations After Marissa Published Her Book

1:03:24 – Marissa’s Secret to Profiting in Life


Mentioned in the Episode:

Marissa’s Book, Lean Outhttps://www.marissaorr.com/the-book/

Marissa’s Podcast, Nice Girls Don’t Watch the Bachelorhttps://nice-girls-dont-watch-the-bachelor.sounder.fm/

Marissa’s Website: https://www.marissaorr.com/

Marissa’s LinkedIn: https://www.linkedin.com/in/marissaorr

Marissa’s Instagram: https://www.instagram.com/marissabethorr/